Cromers Lake, Crowmere Lake , Crummers Lake,the council etc

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midlifecrisis
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Cromers Lake, Crowmere Lake , Crummers Lake,the council etc

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Dear All,

I’m not sure if any off you visit Crummers Lake or Crowmere Lake or Cromers Lake on the top of the hills in Frodsham. Sort of half way between Frodsham and Kingsley.

The Council has recently won a long court battle regard ownership and they have proven themselves to be the owners. At the moment there has been lots of troubles at the lake with so called ‘anglers; getting drunk , setting fires, leaving litter and generally bad behaviour with the Police attending many incidents which mostly happen at night.

The Local Council are welcoming suggestions and such to help them deal with the problems.

I would love to see the Lake still open to the public and I have suggested a number of things that can be done.

Ban night fishing. Between the hours of 10.30 pm and 8.30 am. That would solve the drunken parties at night.

Ban fishing during the spawning season as the lake is hammered by the amount of fishing and the fishing has been awful because it is over fished.

Ban the removal of fish and police the Lake with a ranger. It would appear that some Anglers have been fishing with 10 or more roads, catching specimen carp and selling them at the Polish Markets for food.

I have made other suggestions regard restricting baits and using non barbed hooks etc

Some of my suggestions / proposals

Baits to be banned and other rules that would aid the health of the fish stocks.

No Boilies ( inducement baits for large carp)
No Netting ( No netting for fish, no keep nets)
No Barbed Hooks (Barbed hooks will fall out if a line is snapped – they do not damage the fish)
ONE Rod rule. Fishing is only allowed one person/one rod
No tins allowed on site (helps prevent litter of sweet corn and meat tins being left)

And my major rule proposal. NO fishing before 8 am in the morning and NO fishing past 10.30 pm at night. This would prevent night fishing and help preserve stocks; it would also prevent the all night drinking incidents by so called fishermen.

The EA Rod Licence rule to be enforced. No rod licence – NO FISHING.
No Tipping and No Litter.

Signs to be in place with these rules. Permanent signs under glass (polycarbonate non breakable) and made as vandal proof as possible.


The Lake has good access, but with a little more thought it would be great for disabled fishermen, I have suggested some walk ways and pegs to the council.

I have witnessed one ‘angler’ removing fish in a large white Bedford or Ford transit type van. If anyone see’s this van around the Lake – please try and get the number plate as the EA and the police would be interested in prosecuting the offender/criminal.

I got a call from a councillor thanking me for my ‘efforts’ and document that I submitted and it seems they may be putting forward some of the proposals at the meeting. They would welcome input from anyone who uses or has used the Lake and is concerned about the venue.

The place to write to is

Frodsham Town Council and
Frodsham Recreational Grounds Charity Consultation
Committee
C/O
VRBC

I write with reference to the notice posted in the Buy Sell Saturday September 8th edition, with reference to Crowmere Lake, also known a Cromers Lake and Crumers Lake.

Make sure you mark the letter with the reference!

Image

This is an aerial view of the Lake.

I’ll see if I can find any other pics.

It would be nice to see the Lake continue to be a public venue and not given over to a Club and non members not allowed to fish. For years the place survived fine. It’s the advent of Carp being worth money to the Polish for food and all night drinking ‘raves’ that have changed the scene. I doubt if the genuine anglers have been the ones vandalising the area and leaving litter.

Incidents such as the removal of fish, fish being killed ( thrown in trees, posted through letter boxes, put under cars wheels) must be stopped. It’s a shame but I fear quite a few of the specimen fish have been removed.

So I also suggested the council think about re stocking when they have sorted out the problems.

Regards

Steven
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Sea : Whiting, Mackerel,Crabs ( lots of them), Silver Eel

Course : Mirror Carp, Crucian Carp, Orfe, Koi,Rudd, Roach, Perch,Dace,Common Eel,Rainbow Trout, Brown Trout,Grayling, Seatrout, Tench, Common Carp and Gudgeon
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Post by lil01jon »

Ban the fishing on it!!!!
This lake is an a absolute disgrace!! i used to fish it but the litter is a disgrace the amount of louts that visit the lake and abuse other anglers is incredible ... i myself have had trouble in the past and have had to call the police due to someone not liking where i was fishing! :shock: :shock:
I believe that banning the fishing is the only option as u will still get the louts there during the day!! :shock:
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Post by midlifecrisis »

lil01jon wrote:Ban the fishing on it!!!!
This lake is an a absolute disgrace!! i used to fish it but the litter is a disgrace the amount of louts that visit the lake and abuse other anglers is incredible ... i myself have had trouble in the past and have had to call the police due to someone not liking where i was fishing! :shock: :shock:
I believe that banning the fishing is the only option as u will still get the louts there during the day!! :shock:
I'm hoping that they will restrict the fishing, no night fishing and police it better. I heard from the EA that they had arrested loads of not having licences in the last few weeks. Word will get around and non licence holders will not bother going.

The Private drive on the side is private and the farmer gets annoyed at people ignoring his signs and tramping up and down his drive, but he's not anti fishing. Just wishes the people would behave.

The EA are now Policing the lake because of problems and harm to the fish etc. An office from the EA was telling me there are TOO MANY large carp in the lake for hot weather. They have eaten the vegitation etc. It was something I didnt expect as the lake fishes very poorly.

The litter has been a disgrace. 'Anglers' fighting and setting fires. Reports of killing fish and throwing fish in trees, gardens etc.

I''m still hoping th council can turn it around. It would make a great venue for disabled people as its on th flat, near the road. Ta for the message and I quite understand where you are coming from. I get annoyed myself when I hear the reports of bad behaviour. There's a new hobby Drinking and Fishing. The fishing is something they tell there partner or parents they are doing and then they go out and get totally steamed and the rest is history.

The Council are welcoming suggestions.

Steven
Sea : Whiting, Mackerel,Crabs ( lots of them), Silver Eel

Course : Mirror Carp, Crucian Carp, Orfe, Koi,Rudd, Roach, Perch,Dace,Common Eel,Rainbow Trout, Brown Trout,Grayling, Seatrout, Tench, Common Carp and Gudgeon
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Post by lil01jon »

:) :) :) fair enought .... there are alot of big fish in there though, we have had a 16lber out of there when we fished it, heard reports off someone having a 22lber, the same bloke was ranting on our last session there about the EA "causing trouble" :shock: :shock: i believe he was just another license dodger, he was ranting about how he was going to take fish out and put them in his mates pond if the fishing was banned. :shock: :shock:

Not been up there in a while ... may have a bike up there tomorrow and have a look at the lake :roll:
Jon
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Thanks for the post

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lil01jon wrote::) :) :) fair enought .... there are alot of big fish in there though, we have had a 16lber out of there when we fished it, heard reports off someone having a 22lber, the same bloke was ranting on our last session there about the EA "causing trouble" :shock: :shock: i believe he was just another license dodger, he was ranting about how he was going to take fish out and put them in his mates pond if the fishing was banned. :shock: :shock:

Not been up there in a while ... may have a bike up there tomorrow and have a look at the lake :roll:
Jon
There's been a number of people stealing large Carp, the EA dont approve of that, but they recon the Lake has too many large Carp. In hot weather it can cause problems. Fish around 8lb to 28lb are not unusual at Crommers, although I have NEVER had anything that big!

The EA have been visiting the lake every weekend and getting licence dodgers. Apparently as many as 9 on one occasion!

Did you go up and have alook?

Steve :D
Sea : Whiting, Mackerel,Crabs ( lots of them), Silver Eel

Course : Mirror Carp, Crucian Carp, Orfe, Koi,Rudd, Roach, Perch,Dace,Common Eel,Rainbow Trout, Brown Trout,Grayling, Seatrout, Tench, Common Carp and Gudgeon
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Prime site for luxury apartments or a new Lidl doncha think? 8)














;) :lol:
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midlifecrisis
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fishing out of the flat

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Tight Lines wrote:Prime site for luxury apartments or a new Lidl doncha think? 8)















;) :lol:
No its green belt....then again...stroke of a pen and its not green belt... LOL :badgrin:

Steve :D
Sea : Whiting, Mackerel,Crabs ( lots of them), Silver Eel

Course : Mirror Carp, Crucian Carp, Orfe, Koi,Rudd, Roach, Perch,Dace,Common Eel,Rainbow Trout, Brown Trout,Grayling, Seatrout, Tench, Common Carp and Gudgeon
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up date

Post by midlifecrisis »

Update on Crummers. New EA rules and Local Council Rules.

No night fihsing - it was to be expected with all the problems.

Fishing only from the road 'end'.

One rod per person.

Only 6 pegs, Limited to 6 fishing at anytime.

There's more time restrictions on the boards on site.

Closed Season applies.

Goes without saying all fishing at the lake need a EA licence. If caught by the local police without a licence - tackle is taken and destroyed.

Phew....

Steven
Sea : Whiting, Mackerel,Crabs ( lots of them), Silver Eel

Course : Mirror Carp, Crucian Carp, Orfe, Koi,Rudd, Roach, Perch,Dace,Common Eel,Rainbow Trout, Brown Trout,Grayling, Seatrout, Tench, Common Carp and Gudgeon
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Post by DaveW »

Nice to hear your efforts are rewarded and listened to Stephen. Good one.. ;)..
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Post by midlifecrisis »

DaveW wrote:Nice to hear your efforts are rewarded and listened to Stephen. Good one.. ;)..
yeah, I sent a 3 page proposal to the local council when it looked like fishing would be 'finished' - banned. At least they have listened and hopefully the residents wont mind a few fishing and not at night. I hope to have a go up there later this year - when the season starts. The EA have also applied the closed season to the lake. Thats another good thing as it was getting fished to death last year when other places were closed.

It should be better for the fish and for everyone. There's an EA baillif checks for rod licences too.

Cheers

Steven
Sea : Whiting, Mackerel,Crabs ( lots of them), Silver Eel

Course : Mirror Carp, Crucian Carp, Orfe, Koi,Rudd, Roach, Perch,Dace,Common Eel,Rainbow Trout, Brown Trout,Grayling, Seatrout, Tench, Common Carp and Gudgeon
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