long or short rigs ???????

[blankmaster]

hi all

as you probably know iam pretty new to sea fishing ..really after the cod to be honest ,but not that clued up as others on here

ive been using pennel rigs with hooklinks that are only a few inch short of the impact shield and lead ,maybe 3 feet long ...size 3-0 hooks hook point left as exposed as possible......

am i heading in the right direction length wise ? would larger hooks be better ????

what got me thinking is ...in carp fishing which i do mainly shorter rigs are better because the fish pulls against the lead quicker helping to self hook , because with the hook point exposed a sea bait is pretty much the same as a old type bolt rig used in carp fishing

was wondering if others though the same principle would apply ??? and maybe it would help to self hook sea fish in the same way ?????

blankmaster

[Big Kev]

Not sure what you mean by your hook links being short of your impact shield/lead hook size depends on the bait you`re using,but 3/0 is a good size for worm baits. Hook lengths can make a big difference..a short one nailed to the bottom or a longer flapping hook length will work at different stages of the tide,and for different species.

[blankmaster]

what i mean is kev

for example the main body of the pennel is say 3 foot long ,the actual hooklink is say 2 foot 10 inch from the swivel the hooklink is tied to so it clips onto the impact shield with very little pully effect ...if i was to use much shorter hooklinks say a foot it would bring the pully action more into play

hope that makes sense

what would you suggest length wise for big cod baits ? short or long ?

blankmaster

[Brian900]

http://www.gofishing.co.uk/Sea-Angler/S ... ulley-rig/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJzOYkNtkOo

Hope this helps as dont quite get what you are on about

[razer1]

Blank I think I know what you mean but to shorten your hooklength on a pulley rig may leave your bait off the bottom unless you're fishing a shallow beach. I think a bait is best fished hard on the bottom for cod. Also as the tide runs so fast in the Mersey a longish hooklength will invariably be flowing out with the tide and any fish that takes the bait will probably feel the resistance of the lead and hook itself straightaway. Just an opinion but hope it helps.

[blankmaster]

Blank I think I know what you mean but to shorten your hooklength on a pulley rig may leave your bait off the bottom unless you're fishing a shallow beach. I think a bait is best fished hard on the bottom for cod. Also as the tide runs so fast in the Mersey a longish hooklength will invariably be flowing out with the tide and any fish that takes the bait will probably feel the resistance of the lead and hook itself straightaway. Just an opinion but hope it helps.

razer 1 cheers mate thats exactly what i was on about ! so probably best to stick with the longer hooklinks

thanks for the links to brian

blankmaster

[spudgun]

ive been using pennel rigs with hooklinks that are only a few inch short of the impact shield and lead ,maybe 3 feet long ...size 3-0 hooks hook point left as exposed as possible......

am i heading in the right direction length wise ? would larger hooks be better ????

what got me thinking is ...in carp fishing which i do mainly shorter rigs are better because the fish pulls against the lead quicker helping to self hook , because with the hook point exposed a sea bait is pretty much the same as a old type bolt rig used in carp fishing

was wondering if others though the same principle would apply ??? and maybe it would help to self hook sea fish in the same way ?????

blankmaster

Pennel is when you have one hook above the other on the same snood line.

When you say hooklinks I think you mean snood. The line attached to the main body with the hook/s on.

Hook size is fine unless like kev says you're using larger baits. Or go smaller for whiting/flatties.

I think you are using pulley pennel like the one Simon linked to: http://www.gofishing.co.uk/Sea-Angler/S ... ulley-rig/



I usually make them around an arms length, so 2' to 3'. I think you want the snood length to be a few inches shorter than the main body. So if you shorten the snood then shorten the main line so the hooks hang just above the clip when it's released.

I think the idea of snood length is long snood for slow running tide and short snood for fast running tide. So when the tide is running fast the bait doesn't flail all over the place. I don't tend to bother much though but I'm probably missing out.

The snood will be taught in the tide run and the grip and weight of the lead against the tension of the tide on your main line will hook the fish most of the time. I don't think a sort snood will help this.

[JimColeman]

What spudgun has said is spot on but don't forget we have all learned by trial and error over many years, in my case far more than most. Having seen salted black win the Welsh Bass Championships proves anything is possible at this game although thought and practice are your best allies, go out fish and don't be overly concerned if you have a few blank days, we all do, but we learn by them. When you are fishing in my book weather and tidal conditions are always the paramount consideration, snood length simply depends, as spud says, on such factors. Have a series of rigs made up so you can alter by unclipping, you'll learn far more quickly as what is right to use and when to use it. Enjoy your fishing and remember there are far more species to go for than cod