Fixed Spool Gobbledygook!

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Fixed Spool Gobbledygook!

Postby Richie Fisher » Thu Dec 17, 2015 9:09 pm

I'm a devout multiplier man, but, I'm upgrading some of my gear for Fuerteventura, and have been looking at some Penn, Shimano and Fin-Nor fixed spool reels. I thought this would be a relatively straightforward task, after all how hard can it be to choose a 10000 series and a 4000 series reel?! Well.... Very!!

I need help from you guys as to understanding the letters after the make and model of said reels. Here's a list of them

4000gtm
4000S RC
4000 FG
10000 GTE-C
10000 RB
10000 RA
Live Liner

There's plenty more, but that's enough for a start :help:
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Dab Codling Whiting Poor Cod Flounder Bronze Whaler Shark Spotted Gully Shark Smoothhound Lesser Sand Shark Kabeljou Steenbraas Galjoen Elephant Fish Barbell Plaice Pollock Thornie Ballan Wrasse

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Re: Fixed Spool Gobbledygook!

Postby Steve Duffy » Thu Dec 17, 2015 9:24 pm

The reels are all the same but they charge more for extra letters and numbers.Get some of Lidls specials.They have no letters or numbers and they cost £15 and last for years. :lol: :thumbsup:
D.I.L.L.I.G.A.F
AGNB
Thats bang out of order !

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Re: Fixed Spool Gobbledygook!

Postby merseyboy » Thu Dec 17, 2015 9:25 pm

What's your budget?

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Re: Fixed Spool Gobbledygook!

Postby Richie Fisher » Thu Dec 17, 2015 9:34 pm

merseyboy wrote:What's your budget?



Up to around £150 for the big reel. I need it to cast well, have at least a 30lbs drag and be able to land up to a 200lbs ray. I have a pair of old Shimano big pit baitrunners that are superb reels, however the line-lay isn't great and this shows with casting distance. I'm looking closely at the Fin-Nor Offshore 8500

The 4000 or 5000 is for lure fishing. It needs to be able to cast 35g lures to the horizon and bully fish up to around 15kg (if we're lucky!). Budget up to £75
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Re: Fixed Spool Gobbledygook!

Postby Richie Fisher » Thu Dec 17, 2015 9:38 pm

I should have mentioned, both reels are for casting from the shore or rocks. Not from a boat.
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Re: Fixed Spool Gobbledygook!

Postby Richie Fisher » Thu Dec 17, 2015 9:43 pm

Steve Duffy wrote:The reels are all the same but they charge more for extra letters and numbers.Get some of Lidls specials.They have no letters or numbers and they cost £15 and last for years. :lol: :thumbsup:


I've already got one Steve, it's the one I caught my bonito on 2 years ago, it just doesn't cast as well as better quality reels. If casting distance wasn't an issue I would probably stick with it
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Re: Fixed Spool Gobbledygook!

Postby Big Kev » Thu Dec 17, 2015 9:50 pm

Shimano Reels Jargon Buster – Just What Does It All Mean!
Posted on 26th October, 2012 by Chris Collins — No Comments ↓
You will find many Shimano reels on our website and it can be a little daunting choosing the correct model. Each Shimano reel is packed with different features, designed to suit the needs of different anglers, the fishing methods they use and the species that they pursue.

A question we often get asked is what is the function of each feature and quite simply what does each feature offer! Terms like Super Stopper, Dyna Balance and Floating Shaft, mean nothing to the normal run of the mill fisherman so we’ve produced this list to help.

You should find all the features on the list with a brief description of what each one does.

We like to call it the Shimano Reel Jargon Buster!

• Super Stopper II – With the reel set in anti-reverse mode you’ll find zero free-play on the handle thanks to Super Stopper II. Unerringly positive every time, its practical benefits include micro increment settings of quiver tips or specialist bite indicators and faster hook setting.

• Power Roller – The special design of the Shimano Power Roller significantly reduces line twist during the retrieve and is a big advantage when using thin mono and braid.

• Floating Shaft II – The key friction area on most fixed spool reels is where the spool drive shaft meets the pinion. Shimano designers have overcome this by reducing a large percentage of surface area contact, and incorporating bearings on either side of the shaft. The resultant design leaves the shaft in a “floating” position, considerably improving efficiency and longevity.

• S-System – Smooth, Silent, Strong S-System Represents Shimano?s initial philosophy on which many of our fixed spool reels have been designed. The three basic ideas that are inherent in the S-Concept are: Smooth, Silent and Strong.

• S-Guard – Specially designed guards are attached to the rotor and the body, which prevent the accumulation of water and also give added protection against accidental bumps and knocks.

• S-Arm Cam – Slack line around the line roller is the basic cause of problems during the cast. A newly designed roller incorporates a protruding lower surface, which helps prevent slack line, virtually eliminating the problem.

• S-Drag – The drag washers are made of pure carbon. These provide a smooth performance from zero to maximum power and also offer excellent durability.

• S-Spool – S-System spools are cold forged from aluminium alloy. The cold forging process creates a lightweight spool with increased structural strength. The addition of a spool ring, made from titanium-coated Zirconia, which is ten times harder than stainless steel, gives the lip added resistance to abrasion and damage.

• A-RC Spool – A spool design with a V-shape spool lip ensuring that the line comes off the reel in smaller loops for further and more accurate casting. The AR-C spool will minimise the risk of backlash.

• Dyna-Balance – Reduces reel wobble and allows produces ultra smooth performance.

• Baitrunner Lever – Baitrunner was a breakthrough in big fish angling – a feature that has proved so beneficial that it has become a standard on big fish reels. Baitrunner is a lever located on the rear of the reel that allows the reel to be set so that line is released in controlled free-spool.

• Varispeed – Good quality line lay is the most important feature for precise, long and accurate casting. Shimano?s revolutionary ?Varispeed? System consists of two specially designed gears. One is oval and the other a remarkable square shape!

• A-RB – The secret of long-term rotation performance is to prevent any form of rust, corrosion or oxidisation of the bearings, which can cause a reduction in the reel’s performance over time Shimano A-RB bearings are the answer to this and are fitted as standard on most Shimano freshwater reels and on all Shimano saltwater models.

• HD-Gear – The HD (High Durability) gear is a further improvement of the famous Shimano 3D gears. Applying a special new coating results in a much stronger and smoother running gear system. The out of the box “shop feel” will last much longer.

• Aero Wrap – By improving the internal friction efficiency Shimano succeeded in bringing it?s line lay systems close to perfection. Close parallel coils in combination with 2 speed oscillation ensure smoother and further casting.

• X-ship – Extra Smooth & High Power. By supporting the pinion gear on both ends with our S-ARB bearings and integrating a bigger drive gear Shimano increased the gearing efficiency and power. This results in a fishing reel with ulta-light handle rotation; less effort & power giving a perfect rotation even under heavy loads.

• Baitrunner Spool – Finetuning of the Baitrunner Spool functionality. Both the small drag setting & the big free spool knob now work independantly. An improved user friendly handling is the result.

• Hypergear – This precision-engineered main gear transmits more power from the handle to the rotor. Designed to exacting tolerances, it requires less effort but returns more retrieve/playing torque with vastly reduced component wear. In fact, all reels offer a breathtaking 90.3% efficiency, which makes them not only feel great, but in years to come they’ll still be quietly purring.
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Re: Fixed Spool Gobbledygook!

Postby Shaun1118 » Thu Dec 17, 2015 9:51 pm

Shimano ultegras are proven big fish reels but if the fin nor fixies are anything like there Multis then I'd shoot for one of them :love:

I wouldn't go over a 4000 size for your spinning reel Richie, I've just ordered a 3000 ci4+ Stradic for Fuerte and of course uk use. Unless your using a heavy weight 10ft lure rod then a 5000 is going to be pretty unbalanced. For that money your going to struggle to beat the shimano exage range.

ps you want the front drag

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Re: Fixed Spool Gobbledygook!

Postby jaygo » Thu Dec 17, 2015 10:20 pm

Take a look at the new diawa ninja reels ritch brilliant reels for the money...am well happy with them
http://www.merseysideanglers.co.uk


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Re: Fixed Spool Gobbledygook!

Postby Richie Fisher » Thu Dec 17, 2015 11:03 pm

Thanks Kev for the glossary of terms. All makes sense now.

Thanks for the input chaps, I'll let you know what I plump for in the next few days
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Re: Fixed Spool Gobbledygook!

Postby Godders123 » Fri Dec 18, 2015 12:48 am

A few of the guys that I'm in touch with in Lanza use 4000sized Shimano Biomasters and swear by them but they're £150ish. However, one of the guys uses a 4000 Shimano Exage and it handles the bons, blues and barracuda with no problems at all. The Exage is within your budget :thumbsup:
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Re: Fixed Spool Gobbledygook!

Postby wobbler72 » Fri Dec 18, 2015 7:47 am

Just a thought Richie, isn't it cheaper to buy over there and avoid VAT / Import duty?
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Re: Fixed Spool Gobbledygook!

Postby Richie Fisher » Fri Dec 18, 2015 9:40 am

wobbler72 wrote:Just a thought Richie, isn't it cheaper to buy over there and avoid VAT / Import duty?





You would think that would be the case Kev but the gear is actually dearer over there from our experience. Nice idea though thanks.
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Re: Fixed Spool Gobbledygook!

Postby Richie Fisher » Fri Dec 18, 2015 9:45 am

Thanks Graham, I've now ordered a 4000 Exage. Just need to sort the big reel out now. There's a video on YouTube of Aram tackling a huge ray and the shaft of his reel bends over due to the stresses these monsters put on your gear. That's why I'm favouring the Fin Nor reels at present
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Re: Fixed Spool Gobbledygook!

Postby iank » Sat Dec 19, 2015 8:32 am

I talked to Richie about this a bit yesterday but just to add to the confusion does anyone know the difference between the Penn affinity and surfblaster?

I know the affinity costs more but the spools are the same so can be used on either.

Then there is also the spinfisher which I believe is a heavier more robust construction and again costs more, I've got a smaller 5000 size fo lure fishing and so far it seems faultless but only came with one spool.


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